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Aloha Jo Ann
Good morning everyone have a nice day.
Thank you everyone who responded to my post yesterday for your interpretations of what was said and your opinions. It was never meant to single out any one person or group - some issues will never change whenever handicap plays into the picture, any sport with handicap will always have people who will try to beat the system however there are a lot of players
who really try to get better. I personally do not go to a tournament banking on getting a high person because 9 times out of ten I will not - I can only hope for a decent player who will not give up and I will give them the best that I can do. There are both handicapped and no handicapped tournaments you just have to look for them - this gives you options on whether you play or not.
Dot Fujinaga Whenever you have handicap you will always have sandbagging and this is not unique to darts. You have this in pool, bowling, golf, etc etc. Anytime you have a winner and loser you have people trying to cheat to win. Unfortunately, this is just how is is sometimes. We run tournaments with modified draw because there are more lesser skilled players than better ones and we feel this levels the playing field more. Sometimes we do run no handicap but not that often. So it all comes down to a matter of choice. Do you want to play knowing the conditions or choose not to play because of it. I for one never play in tournaments because I know what my limitations are and I have seen how it is sometimes when better players have to play with a partner like me. Sometimes their disappointment is obvious. Like any other sport, not everyone will be at the same skill level, you have the exceptional ones and the ones at a lower skill level and that's why you have handicaps. But since throughout time it is obvious that we haven't been able to prevent sandbagging in any sport, for now we just have to accept that it will happen, unfortunately. But the choice is yours play knowing this or don't. Bottom line is this is just a game not a livelihood.
Jennifer Garma Well said...both of u. The key word here is 'choice'...its sad when we see players leave, especially our GM's because that is who many of us playing aspire to be...they are our role models. The young players that begin look to them for guidance & those are the ones who should teach and mold up and coming players to respect, love & guide them to be the best....without that the sport will always be lost.
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the responses or the direction this opinion took. Jo Ann
Cheryl Bonnie Muranaka Am I one of your 4? Buahahahah! I agree about sportsmanship and the, "drunk, I'm sorry".
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Philman Reyes Why Don't u just straight out name people. I know I'm one. Till you walk in my shoes as a grandmaster and See the same people throwing 5 or more their rating in a handicap tourney while we are throwing our rating or couple above and losing and nothing gets done about it . I took my cracks along the way to grandmaster status and for the walking out and not finishing tourneys, It's better walking out then making a scene with my personal issues like I used to. I do apologize and know that's not the right thing to do. I seen everyone blow up when I say everyone I mean everyone. It's a competition. Alcohol will always be in the mix with this sport because It's in a bar and bars support our players with tournaments. I need work on my sportsmanship I'm not going to deny that but I know one thing I can play this game that you call darts. You should have just pointed your finger straight at me Joann Dowling.
Shana Kam While I understand where you're coming from and what you're trying to say, maybe you should try and put yourself in the other person's shoes before indirectly blasting them on facebook. This is a recreation "sport" that most people first play while hanging out at bars. All the venues for anything related to darts take place at bars where the main business is serving alcohol. Right now the bars are the only one sponsoring and supporting their players for tourneys. Some people are naturally more competitive than others. So you can understand how frustrating it can be for grandmasters that have to deal with "sand bagging" players on a regular basis. Where are the rules or regulations for those kind of people. What gets done about them? Nothing.
Shana Kam Sportsmanship is important too, I understand that. But so is fairness. As far as getting sponsors go, maybe it's just a matter of not knowing how. Try educating them or helping them, letting them know what options they have. Image is important but not everything. Life happens and sometimes you can't control it. It's not how you pretend to be that makes an image. It's how accountable you make yourself to your actions that matter. We're just trying to keep it real...
Erwin Soria I'm a retired dart player.. All I want to say is that it's been my pleasure playing with and against everyone of you in this dart community...as far as sportsmanship? It's all a matter of perspective. There's competitive sportsmanship and recreational sportsmanship- play the game because you love the game! Shoot well and aim for excellence! Aloha!
Theresa Labajo Nicely said Erwin!!! Play the game because you love the game!!! Shoot well and aim for excellence.
Philman Reyes If I take top 4 in the dragon tournament and think I Don't deserve the right to represent Hawaii I would gladly give it to someone u think does.
Vergil Hoffman Like Erwin, I'm also retired. The reason I got out though, is because of all of the sandbaggers and the vendors not doing anything to regulate it!! For at least ten years straight I was a Grandmaster. So I do know exactly what Philman is talking about. Try to put yourself into a Grandmaster's shoes....How's about being a 14 or a 15 and having to shoot like you are perfect because of the sandbagging and the spots, and sometimes STILL LOSE. Or how about watching your opponents come in as a 6,7 or an 8, but play like they are a 12,13 or a 14....That SUCKS!!! And then to watch the authority do absolutely nothing about it...WOW!! Or how about getting the same partner in blind draw tournaments for several years in a row, while everyone else gets a fair shake..How's about this...some of the lower rated players just showing up because they know that they will automatically get a Grandmaster as a partner...and then expect you to carry them on your back so they can reach the money, but when you don't, they look at you like you never did your part..AHHH, COME ON...Even the best Grandmasters have off days on the dartboard..If everybody's $5 or $10 at the tournament is equal...and the pot is split equally...then why aren't the darts treated the same way...Leave the handicaps for the leagues...Make the tounaments straight up again!! I can't remember a single, straight up blind draw tournament that wasn't fun and competetive..However, I've been retired for about ten years now and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from all of the handicapped ones that I have participated in..JUST SAYING!!!
Philman Reyes Nice Vergil. Couldn't have explained it better
Philman Reyes Coming from a true grandmaster. Vergil Hoffman
Vergil Hoffman Feel for you and the other Grandmasters Philman..I know how hard it is to maintain that level of play you guys are at!! Not easy at all!! Alot of time, dedication and sacrifices!!
Vergil Hoffman While you watch others try to maintain a 6,7 and 8. Taking the easy route, as usual!!
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Gary Gardner Jr.
I am a 8 in dartslive, 6 in
Warren Beckham It takes time, commitment and discipline to become a good dart player. Some people don't make it. The road to the top is hard and frustrating but never give up. It's worth the rewards.
Jo Ann Dowling
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